Lastings Milledge for Ryan Church and Brian Schneider?
Someone explain this to me. You have a prospect who your team has coveted for the past 2 years, always excluding him from trade talks. Then you have Shawn Green being ushered out(thank god) and finally have a spot for your young gun to play in. But then you trade him for an outfielder with a lower ceiling and a 31 year old catcher. Unless they somehow turn these two into Harren or Bedard, I don't see the logic here.
I can't argue on this one. As much as I love the Mets they are killing me, I don't even want to think about what is going to happen from now until opening day. First of all I'm still deciding if I'm going to boycott "citi field" it's nothing but a corporate joke and they've eliminated 15k seats for the average fan, another example of pro sports losing focus and betraying their true base: the average fan.
The Mets saving grace is that the NL is pretty bad, actually turrrble and it's just about impossible to not be in it when you're surrounded by mediocrity (obviously my favorite word). Look for Omar to sure up the pen by making a trip to West Babylon, New York and bringing Billy Koch out of retirement. In all seriousness the Mets aren't in that bad of a state right now, they're a top 3 NL team and according to some sources they're very close to pulling off a "blockbuster" trade. I'll say this much, this season is hugeeee for the Mets, if they don't make a big time run for the title then this might just very well set the franchise back a few years because the NL is as wide open as it'll ever be and you can only count on the Yankees to share the spotlight for so long.
I agree on the Milledge deal, you can't trade your top prospect that's been touted for years and not get back a young starting pitcher, especially when you're rotation for next year consists of an aging and oft-injured Pedro Martinez as your ace, un lanzador que tiene cincuenta años; por lo menos, two iffy starters who were potential flash in the pan pitchers in Maine and Perez, and a struggling prospect in Pelfrey. If the Mets were trying to pull off a 'blockbuster' trade and get Santana which would make sense for them, you'd think they'd like to have Milledge to put in that package. Ryan Church is basically fill-in-the-blank average MLB baseball player and if you kept Milledge he would've put up at least the same numbers as Ryan Church (.272 15 70), and he's about seven years younger with a supposedly high ceiling. Another inane trade by the Mets management, only surprise here was it wasn't for Ryan Church's Hispanic equivalent. Sidenote: Nationals building a decent young outfield now with Milledge and Willy Mo.
Marlins deal for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis
Well this is a huge trade. Miguel Cabrera who will be 25 next year put up (.320 34 119 91) last season and is just now entering the prime of his career. Dontrelle Willis will be 26 and is coming off a rough season but is still a pretty hard throwing lefty who has alot of past success and certainly isn't on his way out, just needs to get it together. I can't say it's a bad deal when you acquire players of that caliber but the Tigers did give up a lot.
Cameron Maybin is 20 years old and a five-tool prospect who will likely take off down in Miami. And the same could be said about Andrew Miller, the former Tarheel who will be 23 next year.
I guess you could say though that the Tigers got now, what they would have hoped Maybin and Miller turned into, and from that point of view it makes sense for both teams since the Marlins are always in a perpetual state of rebuilding and the Tigers are looking to win now.
We'll see how this turns out, but huge deal for the Tigers. Now with Verlander, Bonderman, Willis, the Gambler and Nate Robertson in the starting rotation- a solid pen and throwing Cabrera in that already pretty strong lineup... i think they have a great shot, in fact I believe they will win the NL Central and return to the post season in 08.
editors note:"the sage" meant to say the AL central.
I agree with all of the above statements. Personally I think both the Tigers and the Marlins benefit from this trade although in the long wrong the Marlins got the better of the deal, whether or not they actually keep these plays and benefit from their skills remains to be seen.
Where do I want to see Johan Santana next season? The Minnesota Twins.
Truth is I really really do not want to trade Phillip "Wonder Boy" Hughes, the long touted Yankee farm hand who is just starting to ripen. He'll be 22 years old next season, throws between 92-95 mph, and has a nasty curve ball. He showed great poise last post season and i'm really looking forward to turning the ball over to him and the other two young colts next season.
Now I would've have traded Kennedy, Melky and insignificant prospect for Santana, but for Hughes, i'm very tentative to pull the trigger and I'm happy Hank has set his deadline, it has come and passed, and apparently the deal is done---lets hope he sticks to this one, though.
The Sox apparently were offering either Lester or maybe Ellsbury (but not really Ellsbury), and certainly not both, and Coco Crisp/ package of lower prospects--no Buckholtz. It's clear to me that the Yankees package was far better offering two 22 year-old studs in Hughes and the rising Melky Cabrera but maybe that's just me.
Either way, since the Yankees have set their deadline, "Theo Epstein, in particular, has cooled on acquiring Santana now that the Yankees have pulled out, according to a source." And this is exactly what I was hoping for-- I think both teams really think it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to sell their farms for a player that they can bid against each other next year for---
Acquiring Santana this off-season would really just be like giving a couple of great prospects for the right to sign Santana to a record contract of likely 25 million a year for an inordinate amount of years, considering that he's already reached his prime, and he'll be on the downside of his career three years from now, and will likely get a ridiculous 8 year contract, especially from the Yankees- they have a habit of throwing around ludicrous contracts.
So--as a Yankee fan, I obviously really would rather not see a Red Sox rotation consisting of Beckett, Santana, Schilling, Daiske and Buckholtz, that'd be pretty scary. But, I also don't want the Yankees to deal for Santana if they're going to be trading Hughes and Melky to get him. Like I said, I don't think it makes much sense for either team (probably makes more sense for the Sox if they can get him for just Lester)--but my hope is that both the Yankees and Sox will drop out of this, and commence the bidding war next season.
Can we change the name from the MLB Hot Stove to "The Cold War: The Empire vs. The Nation?"
-The scary part about all of this is, the Red Sox and the MFY's (take a wild guess) have learned more in the past few years about how to use their unlimited resources. Not only have they kept signing key free agents but building the 2 best farm systems in baseball.
Santana Sweepstakes - I WANT JOHAN! Beckett and Santana back to back in the rotation, hello back to back world series titles. The 5-1 the Red Sox have offered the twins is the best i think they can get (Lester,Crisp,Lowrie, Masterson/Bowden, and Ryan Kalish 2006 9th round pick). If the Twins don't trade Santana soon i believe it will paint them in a corner because it will start to be more tempting for the Sox-Yanks to just start a bidding war this offseason and the Twins get no player for Santana except a couple of draft picks. I will be very suprised if another team can offer as many quality players as the 2 AL East powers yet still have a very capable farm system.
AL Power Poll 1. Red Sox-The model all teams should follow: great mix of young talent and veterans and role players and stars....Oh yea and the best Captain in baseball.I just need to find a way to get my man Mike Greenwell out of retirement and on the team so he can get a ring! 2. MFY's- Best lineup in baseball again, however, the young pitchers it will take a couple of years to blossom in the bigs and get used to the workload. 3.Tigers- Go on for it all now and risky move of trading Maybin and Miller. 4.Angels-Adding Hunter helps but they will still run into the Red Sox somewhere along the way. 5.)Indians- Great 1-2 punch and awesome young players led by Sizemore and Martinez. I look for this team to peak in about 2 years.
What do you mean no NL news?? The Dodgers just signed a 30 year old center fielder who is lazy and lost a step to a 2 year deal worth $36.2 million. His .222 average will undoubtedly make this lineup on par with AL teams. How does a guy who has batted over .300 once get this deal? I vote we move either the Yanks or Sox to the NL so that they have a competitive team and the World Series can be exciting again.
Oh lord here we go, the inevitable triple team and "my daddy can beat your daddy up"-routine...what's a Mets fan to do? Well considering we're fresh off a end of season meltdown,building a joke of a stadium (still deciding on the boycott) and making bad move after bad move, I've decided that at least we have two things that the Yankees don't.....Jerry Seinfeld and Ray Ramano, which of course means that Debrah was forced into jumping the bandwagon as well. One more for the good guys.
"My daddy can beat up your daddy" refers to when a person uses something other than his team to support his claim that they are supperior to anothers. If you're going to rip Mets fans for getting excited about seasons that don't end in a World Series than it certainly shouldn't matter when you finish second in your division,regardless of it's status in the baseball power rankings. While it is quite obvious that the Yankees are the most storied franchise in sports and so on and so forth it doesn't erase the fact that when the Yankees and los Mets played the outcome was 3 wins and 3 losses each. So I just don't see the point in the whole "we're so great we play in the AL" thing. In reality the only team that should be happy right now is the Red Sox because they accomplished the only thing that really matters. While leagues and conferences may make it easier or harder at one point or another the cream will still rise to the top be it in the playoffs or the world series.
Before you respond I want to review some key points: -I acknowledges the Yankees/AL are better than the Mets/NL -I have officially stated that the WS is the only thing that matters - I didn't bring up the South
Hmm. Well, I want it to be known then that I am 200%(yes, 200) saying that MY TEAM(not my daddy) is better than your team. Not my league (although thats also true) or my divison (once again, true). In the past 16 seasons you have had a better record than the Yankees one time. This occured in 2000, and I think we all know who got the last laugh in this one.(Thats called a WS Title. You probably wont know what thats like for a while). I think you lose the fact that I dont rip Mets fans for getting excited about seasons that dont end in WS titles. Thats fine, every fan does that. What you get ripped about is all the trash which you talk, when you have no reason to. Ive won titles, I know what it's like and when I get excited I know why. The Mets are losers, and have been for the past 21 years. (2 years before you were born) So until the Mets do something in our lifetime, I think we should be very choice about our words. So for the record, its not a "were so great we play in the AL" thing as you claimed. Its more of a "were so great cause we are better than you" thing. Heres to the Mets always playing second fiddle to the Yanks...
As I have said time and time again I know the Yankees are better..as Yinka Dare would say "whoopty damn do". As a fan and an extremely hot headed person I am not going to hold back my love for a team just because of another teams success or fanbase. As for the Yankees Success well I'd hope that as one of the orginal MLB teams that you would have a significantly better history than the Mets. Also lets go back to a talk we had in october after I said that even though the Phillys beat us X amount of times I still thought we were better. You said that you disagreed due to the fact that head to head they beat us, which is a very reasonable argument. So taking that into account last time I checked the last 12 games between the team that runs NY, plays in a better league and better division against the team that plays "second fiddle" was 6 wins Yankees 6 wins Mets. Being that we play in different leagues and play different styles of ball (no dancing to meringue at the stadium and no pre-game team shave/hair cut at Shea) so the only thing that we can really put on a level playing field in this argument is head to head play.
Ok Corey what do you want from me here? This is an argument I can't win obviously, I feel as if I'm a Wake Forest fan going against a Carolina fan. My only fault can be my tendency to get out of hand and shout out whatever thought comes into my head, but for the most part I am a true blue, loyal fan who is passionate about his team, and as a fellow quick tempered person and also a fan of another less than stellar orange and blue squad I think you should understand.
hahah i don't think we should even discuss the Mets after that collapse a few months back...atleast wait until the caravan gets going in another month. The town's always all a buzz with excitement about the Amazins when that kicks off.. Let's see.
About the Andruw Jones deal, at first I thought woah that's a lot of money coming off last season, but I actually think it's going to work out alright for them. I mean better to give him 2 yrs/36 million, than 6yrs/75 million, which he definitely would've gotten with his passed performance. He's always been a low BA guy, but I think last season decline was an abberation, or indicative of steroid-use in the past, but i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and call it just an off year.
At Dodgers Stadium, where the game is pitching and defense, in a big ballpark, I think he'll definitely add to their defense, and be revitalized in Chavez Ravine with Papa Joe.
The Dodgers lineup was 'putrid' last season with Jeff Kent leading the team with 20 hrs, the immortal Russel Martin tops with 87 rbi's, throwing T-Los in the line-up would've be an improvement. Andruw will be a much need jolt in this lineup and I'm predicting he'll give them ehh .265 25-30 hrs 95-100 rbi's ... in other words, he'll probably be in the NL MVP discussion come next fall.
Not sure why I wasted all that time talking about LA sports, but I got your voice-mail (Kyle), if you want, make a post about this situation you speak of and I'll offer my infinite wisdom.
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Lastings Milledge for Ryan Church and Brian Schneider?
Someone explain this to me. You have a prospect who your team has coveted for the past 2 years, always excluding him from trade talks. Then you have Shawn Green being ushered out(thank god) and finally have a spot for your young gun to play in. But then you trade him for an outfielder with a lower ceiling and a 31 year old catcher. Unless they somehow turn these two into Harren or Bedard, I don't see the logic here.
I can't argue on this one. As much as I love the Mets they are killing me, I don't even want to think about what is going to happen from now until opening day. First of all I'm still deciding if I'm going to boycott "citi field" it's nothing but a corporate joke and they've eliminated 15k seats for the average fan, another example of pro sports losing focus and betraying their true base: the average fan.
The Mets saving grace is that the NL is pretty bad, actually turrrble and it's just about impossible to not be in it when you're surrounded by mediocrity (obviously my favorite word). Look for Omar to sure up the pen by making a trip to West Babylon, New York and bringing Billy Koch out of retirement.
In all seriousness the Mets aren't in that bad of a state right now, they're a top 3 NL team and according to some sources they're very close to pulling off a "blockbuster" trade. I'll say this much, this season is hugeeee for the Mets, if they don't make a big time run for the title then this might just very well set the franchise back a few years because the NL is as wide open as it'll ever be and you can only count on the Yankees to share the spotlight for so long.
I agree on the Milledge deal, you can't trade your top prospect that's been touted for years and not get back a young starting pitcher, especially when you're rotation for next year consists of an aging and oft-injured Pedro Martinez as your ace, un lanzador que tiene cincuenta años; por lo menos, two iffy starters who were potential flash in the pan pitchers in Maine and Perez, and a struggling prospect in Pelfrey. If the Mets were trying to pull off a 'blockbuster' trade and get Santana which would make sense for them, you'd think they'd like to have Milledge to put in that package. Ryan Church is basically fill-in-the-blank average MLB baseball player and if you kept Milledge he would've put up at least the same numbers as Ryan Church (.272 15 70), and he's about seven years younger with a supposedly high ceiling. Another inane trade by the Mets management, only surprise here was it wasn't for Ryan Church's Hispanic equivalent. Sidenote: Nationals building a decent young outfield now with Milledge and Willy Mo.
Marlins deal for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis
Well this is a huge trade. Miguel Cabrera who will be 25 next year put up (.320 34 119 91) last season and is just now entering the prime of his career. Dontrelle Willis will be 26 and is coming off a rough season but is still a pretty hard throwing lefty who has alot of past success and certainly isn't on his way out, just needs to get it together. I can't say it's a bad deal when you acquire players of that caliber but the Tigers did give up a lot.
Cameron Maybin is 20 years old and a five-tool prospect who will likely take off down in Miami. And the same could be said about Andrew Miller, the former Tarheel who will be 23 next year.
I guess you could say though that the Tigers got now, what they would have hoped Maybin and Miller turned into, and from that point of view it makes sense for both teams since the Marlins are always in a perpetual state of rebuilding and the Tigers are looking to win now.
We'll see how this turns out, but huge deal for the Tigers. Now with Verlander, Bonderman, Willis, the Gambler and Nate Robertson in the starting rotation- a solid pen and throwing Cabrera in that already pretty strong lineup... i think they have a great shot, in fact I believe they will win the NL Central and return to the post season in 08.
editors note:"the sage" meant to say the AL central.
I agree with all of the above statements. Personally I think both the Tigers and the Marlins benefit from this trade although in the long wrong the Marlins got the better of the deal, whether or not they actually keep these plays and benefit from their skills remains to be seen.
Yankees/Red Sox try to deal for Santana
Where do I want to see Johan Santana next season? The Minnesota Twins.
Truth is I really really do not want to trade Phillip "Wonder Boy" Hughes, the long touted Yankee farm hand who is just starting to ripen. He'll be 22 years old next season, throws between 92-95 mph, and has a nasty curve ball. He showed great poise last post season and i'm really looking forward to turning the ball over to him and the other two young colts next season.
Now I would've have traded Kennedy, Melky and insignificant prospect for Santana, but for Hughes, i'm very tentative to pull the trigger and I'm happy Hank has set his deadline, it has come and passed, and apparently the deal is done---lets hope he sticks to this one, though.
The Sox apparently were offering either Lester or maybe Ellsbury (but not really Ellsbury), and certainly not both, and Coco Crisp/ package of lower prospects--no Buckholtz. It's clear to me that the Yankees package was far better offering two 22 year-old studs in Hughes and the rising Melky Cabrera but maybe that's just me.
Either way, since the Yankees have set their deadline, "Theo Epstein, in particular, has cooled on acquiring Santana now that the Yankees have pulled out, according to a source." And this is exactly what I was hoping for-- I think both teams really think it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to sell their farms for a player that they can bid against each other next year for---
Acquiring Santana this off-season would really just be like giving a couple of great prospects for the right to sign Santana to a record contract of likely 25 million a year for an inordinate amount of years, considering that he's already reached his prime, and he'll be on the downside of his career three years from now, and will likely get a ridiculous 8 year contract, especially from the Yankees- they have a habit of throwing around ludicrous contracts.
So--as a Yankee fan, I obviously really would rather not see a Red Sox rotation consisting of Beckett, Santana, Schilling, Daiske and Buckholtz, that'd be pretty scary. But, I also don't want the Yankees to deal for Santana if they're going to be trading Hughes and Melky to get him. Like I said, I don't think it makes much sense for either team (probably makes more sense for the Sox if they can get him for just Lester)--but my hope is that both the Yankees and Sox will drop out of this, and commence the bidding war next season.
Can we change the name from the MLB Hot Stove to "The Cold War: The Empire vs. The Nation?"
-The scary part about all of this is, the Red Sox and the MFY's (take a wild guess) have learned more in the past few years about how to use their unlimited resources. Not only have they kept signing key free agents but building the 2 best farm systems in baseball.
Santana Sweepstakes
- I WANT JOHAN! Beckett and Santana back to back in the rotation, hello back to back world series titles. The 5-1 the Red Sox have offered the twins is the best i think they can get (Lester,Crisp,Lowrie, Masterson/Bowden, and Ryan Kalish 2006 9th round pick). If the Twins don't trade Santana soon i believe it will paint them in a corner because it will start to be more tempting for the Sox-Yanks to just start a bidding war this offseason and the Twins get no player for Santana except a couple of draft picks. I will be very suprised if another team can offer as many quality players as the 2 AL East powers yet still have a very capable farm system.
AL Power Poll
1. Red Sox-The model all teams should follow: great mix of young talent and veterans and role players and stars....Oh yea and the best Captain in baseball.I just need to find a way to get my man Mike Greenwell out of retirement and on the team so he can get a ring!
2. MFY's- Best lineup in baseball again, however, the young pitchers it will take a couple of years to blossom in the bigs and get used to the workload.
3.Tigers- Go on for it all now and risky move of trading Maybin and Miller.
4.Angels-Adding Hunter helps but they will still run into the Red Sox somewhere along the way.
5.)Indians- Great 1-2 punch and awesome young players led by Sizemore and Martinez. I look for this team to peak in about 2 years.
Enough about the American League....
NL News
.......(cricket sounds)...(cricket sounds)....
What do you mean no NL news?? The Dodgers just signed a 30 year old center fielder who is lazy and lost a step to a 2 year deal worth $36.2 million. His .222 average will undoubtedly make this lineup on par with AL teams. How does a guy who has batted over .300 once get this deal? I vote we move either the Yanks or Sox to the NL so that they have a competitive team and the World Series can be exciting again.
Oh lord here we go, the inevitable triple team and "my daddy can beat your daddy up"-routine...what's a Mets fan to do? Well considering we're fresh off a end of season meltdown,building a joke of a stadium (still deciding on the boycott) and making bad move after bad move, I've decided that at least we have two things that the Yankees don't.....Jerry Seinfeld and Ray Ramano, which of course means that Debrah was forced into jumping the bandwagon as well. One more for the good guys.
"Oh lord here we go, the inevitable triple team and "my daddy can beat your daddy up"-routine"
want to elaborate on that?
"My daddy can beat up your daddy" refers to when a person uses something other than his team to support his claim that they are supperior to anothers. If you're going to rip Mets fans for getting excited about seasons that don't end in a World Series than it certainly shouldn't matter when you finish second in your division,regardless of it's status in the baseball power rankings.
While it is quite obvious that the Yankees are the most storied franchise in sports and so on and so forth it doesn't erase the fact that when the Yankees and los Mets played the outcome was 3 wins and 3 losses each. So I just don't see the point in the whole "we're so great we play in the AL" thing. In reality the only team that should be happy right now is the Red Sox because they accomplished the only thing that really matters. While leagues and conferences may make it easier or harder at one point or another the cream will still rise to the top be it in the playoffs or the world series.
Before you respond I want to review some key points:
-I acknowledges the Yankees/AL are better than the Mets/NL
-I have officially stated that the WS is the only thing that matters
- I didn't bring up the South
Hmm. Well, I want it to be known then that I am 200%(yes, 200) saying that MY TEAM(not my daddy) is better than your team. Not my league (although thats also true) or my divison (once again, true). In the past 16 seasons you have had a better record than the Yankees one time. This occured in 2000, and I think we all know who got the last laugh in this one.(Thats called a WS Title. You probably wont know what thats like for a while). I think you lose the fact that I dont rip Mets fans for getting excited about seasons that dont end in WS titles. Thats fine, every fan does that. What you get ripped about is all the trash which you talk, when you have no reason to. Ive won titles, I know what it's like and when I get excited I know why. The Mets are losers, and have been for the past 21 years. (2 years before you were born) So until the Mets do something in our lifetime, I think we should be very choice about our words. So for the record, its not a "were so great we play in the AL" thing as you claimed. Its more of a "were so great cause we are better than you" thing. Heres to the Mets always playing second fiddle to the Yanks...
As I have said time and time again I know the Yankees are better..as Yinka Dare would say "whoopty damn do". As a fan and an extremely hot headed person I am not going to hold back my love for a team just because of another teams success or fanbase. As for the Yankees Success well I'd hope that as one of the orginal MLB teams that you would have a significantly better history than the Mets. Also lets go back to a talk we had in october after I said that even though the Phillys beat us X amount of times I still thought we were better. You said that you disagreed due to the fact that head to head they beat us, which is a very reasonable argument. So taking that into account last time I checked the last 12 games between the team that runs NY, plays in a better league and better division against the team that plays "second fiddle" was 6 wins Yankees 6 wins Mets. Being that we play in different leagues and play different styles of ball (no dancing to meringue at the stadium and no pre-game team shave/hair cut at Shea) so the only thing that we can really put on a level playing field in this argument is head to head play.
Ok Corey what do you want from me here? This is an argument I can't win obviously, I feel as if I'm a Wake Forest fan going against a Carolina fan. My only fault can be my tendency to get out of hand and shout out whatever thought comes into my head, but for the most part I am a true blue, loyal fan who is passionate about his team, and as a fellow quick tempered person and also a fan of another less than stellar orange and blue squad I think you should understand.
hahah i don't think we should even discuss the Mets after that collapse a few months back...atleast wait until the caravan gets going in another month. The town's always all a buzz with excitement about the Amazins when that kicks off.. Let's see.
About the Andruw Jones deal, at first I thought woah that's a lot of money coming off last season, but I actually think it's going to work out alright for them. I mean better to give him 2 yrs/36 million, than 6yrs/75 million, which he definitely would've gotten with his passed performance. He's always been a low BA guy, but I think last season decline was an abberation, or indicative of steroid-use in the past, but i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and call it just an off year.
At Dodgers Stadium, where the game is pitching and defense, in a big ballpark, I think he'll definitely add to their defense, and be revitalized in Chavez Ravine with Papa Joe.
The Dodgers lineup was 'putrid' last season with Jeff Kent leading the team with 20 hrs, the immortal Russel Martin tops with 87 rbi's, throwing T-Los in the line-up would've be an improvement. Andruw will be a much need jolt in this lineup and I'm predicting he'll give them ehh .265 25-30 hrs 95-100 rbi's ... in other words, he'll probably be in the NL MVP discussion come next fall.
Not sure why I wasted all that time talking about LA sports, but I got your voice-mail (Kyle), if you want, make a post about this situation you speak of and I'll offer my infinite wisdom.
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